Nothing better than being interviewed by two beautiful blondes from the USA about men’s sexuality. Wow, they were super knowledgeable and lots of fun… this was next level!
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[Music]
it’s that hour with Leah Piper your host
at sex reimagine with my other host Dr
will Brown today we interviewed a very
special man in the field of sacred
sexuality a man named Leonard low a
South African man who has been around
the world and back he actually left his
life his job his country his continent
he sold everything he gave it away and
he bought a one-way ticket to South
America and journeyed around the world
studying learning and healing and
Awakening for five years through all of
that he now teaches men how to meet and
process their emotions how to get to
know their inner feminine how to align
their hearts power and businesses and
how not to ejaculate so that they can
last for hours in bed he is an
incredible wealth of wisdom we had such
a great time talking to him he’s got a
book that he’s sharing with you all as
his free gift and you’re going to want
to check it out wow Leonard low I just
have to say so refreshing to talk about
ejaculatory Choice with a man who’s been
practicing and teaches other men this is
such an important interview an important
concept don’t worry we’re not telling
you never to ejaculate again we still
want you to have pleasure in fact we
want you to have even more pleasure by
practicing ejaculatory choice so tune in
turn on and fall in love with
Leonard welcome to the sex reimagine
podcast where sex is shame free and
pleasure forward let’s get into the show
Welcome Leonard we’re so happy to have
you here today yeah we’re going to talk
about one of our favorite topics which
is ejaculatory choice we’re so excited
to have a man on board to tell us more
about this yeah super excited to be
talking to the two of you I’ve been
really looking forward to this uh thank
you you know I was looking at some of
your information and looking at part of
your journey and I was sort of struck by
you know you having
this moment in time where you had to act
you had to do something you had to
change and you gave away all your stuff
or you sold it you you change locations
and you go on this Epic Journey for I
think it said 5 years so tell us a
little bit about how you got started on
this path yes I call it my rock bottom
Clifton walk Clifton Beach here in Cape
Town an unbelievable beautiful spot you
know and I was staying on the beach
basically and I was that stage very much
in uh uh in business in corporate and um
running an insurance company in South
Africa CEO of insurance company and and
I had fun in my days but then the last
few years I just realized I needed to do
something different with my life going
forward um and I distracted myself a
little bit from the voice telling me to
do the journey the jump you know deep
deep journey in and to to to Really uh
clear out the old and make way for the
new and then on that day after three
four years when I walked there I just
couldn’t see the beauty around me
anymore and it was a it’s a pretty
magical place you know Cape Town in
newor Clifton and I just realized I’ve
I’m so disconnected so disconnected from
myself
so can just disconnected from nature
from people yeah so I just I just jumped
you know looked like a jump to the outer
I resigned sold everything bought a
oneway ticket to liont Peru uh that
became a 5 Journey 35 countries all
around the world wow a lot of workshops
initiations learnings yeah it’s just
tremendous tremendous
Journey when how old were you at the
time yeah paron how old were you when
you had sort of this midlife
breakthrough
maybe I was I was 49 there was a a young
beautiful foot leaned
49 yeah right on and did you ever did
you ever imagine Leonard that it would
be a fiveyear journey I mean cuz I
personally just took took the leap
myself two years ago and um it’s taking
a lot longer than I thought it would so
I’m just curious if when you took the
leap you thought it would be that long
of a journey uh well absolutely not I I
thought at least let we do at least
three months you know honestly and I
thought at least three months you know
maybe a year and uh I mean I didn’t know
what what I was jumping into I I thought
I was on my way to to New York because I
thought I was just bored of business
this business of we were in and I was
doing and I was look at
new Innovations and new stuff in the
world out there uh um but the
temperature you know for African to go
to New York in uh in December January is
not good it was like super cold I
thought South America first I’ll just
spend a few months there be May in New
York and then you know a few months
later back and I just heard it just
everything changed you know
so expanded it just kept going and you
were when you left on this this life
shifting Journey you were not really out
in particular to become a sexual healer
or coach around
sexuality if you tell me that like you
know ask me five you know how long is
this not 10 years 10 years ago uh that
you and I would be having this
conversation about sexuality and Men
sexuality where I came from you know
what I did before previously in my life
I I would have I would have really loved
it not at all it really just became a
journey deep in a journey and it was I
mean it included a lot of stuff on
spirituality sexuality
spiritual sexual Shamanism but also
Crystal healing energy India meditation
so much but yeah sexuality was a big
central theme in it yeah you know when I
hear you say I went to Peru I
immediately think plant
medicine so was it was iasa and some
plat medicine kind of a part of your
journey and and like
what well I’ll ask that question I’ve
got a follow-up question I’m kind of
famous for asking three questions at the
same time perfect
yeah so it wasn’t and what happened with
me in South America and that’s where the
spiritual journey way started is I got
sick with parasites I went from a lean
foot 82 kilg to 72 kg I don’t know what
that’s in pound but almost double so I
lost losing about 10 probably 20 pounds
of of muscle I just I really was I was
going through tough times and I was
trying antibiotics and everything it
didn’t work and then someone said well
try aashka
so that’s how I came across plant
medicine and then I had this journey
with iasa and then I realized okay wow
man there’s there there’s a lot more
year and I ended up in the five years
doing four all the four not all the four
different you know plant Journeys you
know cyon yeah San Pedro and iboga also
over the four years so yeah it actually
became also quite a quite a big teacher
for me I bet I bet I don’t I don’t think
anyone can visit those um medicin and
not have it be a big reality shift
profound yeah yeah so how did the whole
sexual aspect of this come into your
Consciousness that that’s the shift you
needed or wanted yeah that’s fascinating
so after theka journey in in um in
Colombia it’s actually Colombia not Peru
from Peru I went up to Colombia spent
six months there um and I ended up at
the lake lagu at titlan in
Guatemala um and I was still suffering
with a parasite and I came across
someone there that shanii guy that that
said to me now listen there someone
around the corner can help me with
emotional release because that would
help with a with a whole um with the
parasites and I did that and then she
told me oh by the way there’s a tantra
Festival in Hawaii um in six months time
happening in a big uh Island the Puna
coast and they’re also doing a spiritual
sexual summon level one 6 s day Journey
there um and that could also be helpful
so it’s totally by coincidence you it’s
like it just happened so then I just got
on a plane flew to Hawaii I wasn’t even
sure I didn’t register for the course I
just arrived arrived there I thought let
me check this out I went to the tantro
festival first time of my life and was
started with like eye gazing and I was
like wow what you know it was really new
I was like a really innocent boy in this
world of spirituality if you can call it
innocent that you were a t of puppy yeah
I was a I was a puppy man I was like
doing this I gazing and I thought and
then the next next evening there was
ecstatic dance and there was this big
sign up there you know you know no
alcohol no drugs and no talking on the
dance floor and I mean wow how am I
going to dance without having a drink or
something you know so I mean now I look
at that version of myself and I just
have a smile because I you know I do
often get ecstatic dances I can just I
mean I but it’s amazing you know the
conditioning of of her you know of life
you know so so yeah so that was really
just an exp expion and after the Tantra
Festival I just loved what I saw and
then I went into the 7-Day um Journey um
and that was profound you know it was it
was on Tantra it was on sexuality but
there was some lots lots of other stuff
also in it you know and I really met I
really met my inner feminine you know
that’s the part there was so much
learnings in the seven days but I really
met my inner feminine um and yeah now
why I just off to the course would walk
on the beach right to my book about it
on a date was my inner feminine you know
and I really felt it so profound and
this from a guy that in Cape Town days
at the crazy drug sex and jacuzzi life
there you know on the deck you know just
me and two three women having sex and I
it was I was like quite unconscious you
know and there was always the outer
feminine I was always attracted to the
outer feminine I love women and now I’m
in Hawaii and all these beautiful women
around me and I’m not connecting with
any of them I’m taking myself on a date
on the beach so yeah it was super
beautiful and interesting and I wrote
about it I blog about it and a lot of my
friends thought and wrote and said what
this guy’s losing it but for me it was a
beautiful experience and Hawaii is the
perfect place to be connecting with your
Divine inner feminine and so this is one
of the things that you help um your
clients especially your male clients
with is Recon is connecting or possibly
reconnecting to their feminine energy
how do you work with people around that
yeah you know most guys like our you
know just a start on the emotional part
I so disconnected from from from the
emotions so I kind of start you know
just to get the emotional body moving
and for people to just connect in their
emotions you know do emotional
expression release and let start moving
the emotional body and then also you
know and then the erotic body can also
start start start going there um and you
know for me specifically one thing and I
mean I’ll just jump straight in there
just one thing that was very important
for me in that weeklong residential
training is that we actually had a
sacred spot massage which is the male
male prostate massage and it was I mean
it was amazing and I really connected
with my inner feminine in that exercise
you know we’re very familiar with this
practice and it’s cool to hear how that
comes together will you want to say
something a little bit give a little bit
background on male sacred spot massage
it’s a powerful practice I’ve had men
just absolutely puddle in my hands and
completely watch their uh synaptic uh
Pathways in their brain and the rest of
their body change before my very eyes
it’s really powerful there’s a couple of
different um places inside of a man’s
ass which is the the prostate and the
G-Spot so um you know working with both
can be it can not only create so much
more profound pleasure inside of a man’s
uh orgasm but also just it can it can
help um with ejaculatory choice and it
can really help him understand his inner
feminine I actually have another dear
friend who um you know started to have a
sexual a very heterosexual man started
to have sexual relations with another
man just because it was an exploration
and it was something that you know he
hadn’t gone down that road before and um
he after having that experience um just
said the way that he entered as a woman
now is completely altered and completely
different yeah 100% that was my
experience you know it was oh man I was
I was lying there with my my legs open
feeling super vulnerable and
I luckily I drew a woman as a partner
not as a man that would have been just
too much for me if as a heterosexual man
no coming across this and I had this
beautiful tiny woman asking me before
enter me asking me permission to enter
you know my my the finger and I felt so
honored I felt I felt I could in that
moment felt how a woman would feel lying
with her legs open and and you
penetrating her it was it totally
changed my relationship with penetration
you know it was totally it was it was
really profound um I mean to your
question that you asked earlier and now
I don’t jump in with this with the guys
you know that this is and I mean I don’t
specifically do body works but I um
I get I really get them just really to
to also you know you know when music is
on to to drop into their feminine to
dance like like like a woman would not
just like a man but to really flow with
with stuff but I think really for most
guys this is a is really a great
experience to have not it was profound
for me and after the massage we were
lying there and they I put like a song
over me and the music was playing and I
promise you I I truly connected with
with a collective Womanhood you know and
I I started crying I I had this I I just
felt this almost this HT of the you know
like the the sure that you know the the
hurt and damage that been caught to to
the collective women I could feel like T
into Collective Womanhood and I went wow
but the last few thousand years of D and
Patrick to women obviously to men also
and a lot of damage but I dropped into
that space so for me it was profound you
know where I was coming from Left Brain
business law marketing finance and then
you know in a workshop on Hawaii and
you’re having this experience so yeah
how how do you think the world would
change if if every man on the planet had
that experience Leonard that you
had uh well I I I promise you I don’t
think there will be I mean that’s a
that’s a big thing to say but I don’t
think there will be any wars honestly I
think I think I think there will be so
much more compassion I think uh
specifically men will be integrated in
their masculine and feminine energies
much more um we were because I did a
number of these I did ended up doing 10
off because there’s level one two three
whatever of the of these around the
world over four five years of these
trainings and we were used to and I been
assisted in a few and and we were used
you ref
TOA uh yes yes it yeah that’s what I
thought yeah International Temple arts
school of Temple Arts yeah yeah School
of Temple Arts yeah yeah yeah and the
guys were always joking they always say
that you know that European Parliament
you know that should be compulsory like
once a week or once a month everyone
they should go for a prostate massage
you know that’s right that’s right well
you totally different I think you bring
up a a really a number of important
points one is I think it would be hard
for men to understand if they’ve never
had the experience of being penetrated
the psychic magnitude that comes with
being penetrated and so there’s
something that happens when um uh a
woman has been um you know penetrated
over time with a lot of unconscious
energy because the the second chakra of
the genitals is the most psychic of all
the chakras and so when we get
penetrated we are experiencing if the
man is unconscious like oh God I just
want to relax I just want to sleep I
just want to let go I’ve had a stressful
day that kind of energy can then
transfer like a depository
to her nervous system and then over time
we see women is in a lot of marriages
also where they stop being interested in
sex they stop caring about sex they
start resisting sex and it becomes less
for them because it feels like it’s
always for their partner and there’s
something so powerful that men can make
a simple simple simple shift and that is
right before they penetrate to come up
with a thought form for what you want to
deposit into her system love beauty
belonging safety trust vulnerability
passion aliveness and and it just takes
one thought form to transform the energy
that comes from you to them and so I
think the same presence can then be
afforded to penetrating a man and I
think this this amazing profound
experience of being a man and being
penetrated you get to feel what we call
like this Yin Essence and this thing
opens inside of you and I’ve never met a
man yet who hasn’t had that experience
who isn’t more aware of like you said
that that moment of like penetration of
being able to understand what it feels
like to hold that Yin Essence I think
when men hear about this for the first
time they do get scared like oh my God
what if I like it what does that mean
about my sexuality will I be gay in the
morning and so oftentimes that’s a
roadblock from wanting to have any ass
play quote unquote and so I I love
hearing men talk about this because
they need to hear from other men that it
doesn’t change your sexual identity it
just gives you more access to more of
yourself not only
more inner reflection more emotional um
material information connection
expression but then there’s a whole
pleasure pathway through simple anal
orgasms that’s also very different than
ejaculatory orgasms so with that all
being said what what do you want to pick
up and run
with oh I love what you’re saying I love
about the intention of the penetration
and what you deposit in so I think
that’s amazing that’s beautiful that’s
and I often find it you know I often
find guy say you know my my wife’s not
interested in sex anymore and and I and
I always know you know it’s it doesn’t
just start from the one you know so
there’s there’s are you conscious are
you consciously penetrating how long is
the love making lasting you you know is
it you know is it how is the penetration
you know is it is it is it one or two
minutes and then you know she’s not even
warmed up and then you check you know
I’m just going well over now but there’s
so much to this um and yeah there’s so
much more than meets the eye I think we
tend to go oh she’s cold it’s her
problem it’s her fault she’s got to go
be fixed when really it’s not and no
one’s at fault it’s just a new way of
relating to who we get to be together
through intimacy and sexuality and
here’s another thing I’m curious to get
your take on because there’s also an
unconscious way that I believe women
penetrate men and it’s often times the
energy from the heart if we could say
that you know if that that there’s a
masculine pole in a woman’s heart we
lead from our heart we want to penetrate
the world through our heart our breasts
are the physical manifestation of that
energy that wants to give and and be a
force field in the world and we can be
very unconscious towards men and how we
treat them our our act our our way of
entitl M our we can we have our own way
of sort of barging in so to speak and so
I think when that woman that you worked
with said may I enter you it’s it’s
again it’s like an awareness of
consciousness of you know can I be with
you in this way instead of just assuming
that I can have and take oh I love that
Leo no I think that’s beautiful and um
you know there’s this thing out there
that men always are ready for sex and
always want sex and then always should
have sex and you know and I think that
you for me ties in exactly what you’re
saying you know so when a woman becomes
also conscious with that in how she
penetrates the man and with her heart
and how she connects with him that when
you know it’s false it’s not it’s not
true we men and woman are not so so
different you know and it’s not
like I I often say to to guys you know
on
your uh erection honor yourself you know
if you’re not ready for love making uh
and if your body let’s say it’s not
ready for love making either your
rection or your heart isn’t don’t make
love you know yes I love that we call
that honoring the wisdom of the wand how
do I know I’m supposed to be soft cuz
I’m soft how do I know I’m supposed to
be hard cuz I’m hard how do I know I
want to have sex CU I feel the desire
for it and it’s the right time and it’s
the right person yes exactly and then
sometimes even our got one one group of
eight guyss spoke to the other day and
he was saying um and you know he can
even have the direction but you know you
felt wow man my wife just fought me now
with me the morning and says I’m
muscular and she just want to [ __ ] me
and I said I don’t feel like that now
because when I have an erection I feel
like I’m not being honored you know I’m
just not going to be used you know and
these conversations are not people are
not used to it it’s okay for women to
say that but for men to say that is kind
of not okay and so most guys don’t say
it but you know if you create a safe
space for men to share then a guy like
that actually share it and I said to
Well Done brother thanks before he’s so
vulnerable and so open because talks to
me exactly into what you’re saying
there yeah and I think that it really
provides men with a a new sense of
empowerment when they can say that to a
group of men you know it’s like a new
sense of of wholeness comes online for
them and um and you know you’re you’re
teaching men how to um have uh orgasm
without ejaculating so that they can
have multiples is you know one of the
powerful things that you teach men and
what if you seen are the the benefits in
the rest of their life not just like
okay they become better lovers but how
does it penetrate into other sectors
their health their work in the world
their relationships their um home
life oh well I could talk for for two
days about this yeah the benefits so
numerous it’s just amazing and as you
say you know just
the just just in in the context of of
the sex life making love for longer you
know so it’s not just improving the sex
life but also then improving the
intimacy and the relationship with with
their partners because now now they
spend not 2 minutes or five or 10
minutes in this interaction but you know
20 minutes half an hour hour two hours
now I just love it you know imagine now
having that sensual close time with your
partner and you make love and you rest
and you make love more and his eye
connection and all of that the intimacy
the
vulnerability all of that pulls over
into the rest of the relationship you
know after that you go and cook some
food but that loving the love making
still continues you know for me yeah you
know it spills over and you watch the D
but in between you there’s this still
this love making happening because
you’ve taken time with each other and um
and I really believe I feel so strongly
about it I really believe as a man you
know you you have to learn some skills
around being able to to to have Choice
around your your ejculation to hold you
I don’t like the word control but to to
hold it and to have Choice around it and
be able to make love longer because it
brings so much more into your life
because now not just in the relationship
space but also you become more aware of
your body you become more aware of
your partner and you know all of this be
means you become more aware of life
around you so now you walk in the in in
the world a day or two days later and
you’re you’re just more aware awareness
creates awareness you know so now you
become much more conscious aware man and
now you interact with the world with
bigger
awareness God I think we really need
more aware conscious men you know and be
in their power and be in their strength
and be in their masculinity but but also
be connected to their heart and to be in
full awareness of people in the planet
around
them yeah Bravo more of that place um
you know my theory on on why that
awareness becomes more alive for a man
who doesn’t ejaculate every time he
makes love with himself or with a
partner is because he stays full instead
of empties like there’s that there’s
that place where when a man ejaculates
It’s a Wonderful reset for stress which
is why I think so many men end up being
addicted to their ejaculation is because
they’re trying to get relief but it kind
of empties everything out whereas when
you can play with your sexual energy and
you you you know Chinese medicine says
that in order to create life itself the
energy has to come from the organs the
chakras and the glands to have enough
life force energy to endow that sperm
with life so that the chances of
creating life are greater so if you spin
all that up and instead of ejaculating
you reverse the polarity of that energy
and you give it back to yourself it goes
back to the organs goes back to the
glands goes back to the chakras
therefore creating regeneration in you
and I feel like it’s that alchemy that
provides a man with this
more uh this bigger ability to stay
present to have more awareness um to
feel his alive and vitality and
therefore as a woman he’s more romantic
like he’s paying attention more he’s
more present we’re getting extra text
messages in between the day and there’s
more I love yous and there’s more like
the hugs are longer and the gazes are
longer and and the little pats on the
butt are sweeter all these little things
just get richer and richer that I think
add to that intimacy and add to that
what you described is like the love
making doesn’t stop because he doesn’t
go away cu emptied out does that make
sense it makes 100% sense by the way
beautifully articulated um thank you
definitely I mean I find I’m just
talking about myself and but also the
guys you know I do these 21-day Journeys
with guys you know uh guided Journey for
21 days we don’t ejaculate don’t watch I
mean there’s quite a lot to it but but
so what I get from the guys afterwards
when I asked him what what’s happened is
that it it deepened their heart
connection with their partner I mean I
had partners of guys saying to me wow
what do you do with my B what what what
happened there because our heart
connection is so much stronger and I can
just personally talk you know and I make
love and I don’t
ejaculate I almost I mean it sounds I’m
just going to say it as it comes out I
almost be become like a woman you know I
still want to cuddle you know I want to
hold yeah hold my my beloved my woman my
cheick you know I want to I I you know
you going to roll over and sleep you
know sometimes that’s cool to do that
but I I
find EX exactly I I like what you say
you stay full so you’re not empty you’re
still full I still want a cuddle still a
holder and then you know we just cenal
and 10 minutes later energy takes us
into another love making um so yeah I
think it’s I mean I mean the the Sean is
this I mean we make life out of Sean you
know all this best parts of our body
goes into a drop of semen that creates
life a new life this planet this is so
powerful stuff and I mean I don’t know
what I think the D something about I
mean you guys better than me but like I
don’t know how how many cups of blood to
take a drop of seman and how many I
don’t know uh uh maybe not track but how
many track of fuit just to make the
blood you know so so much frood to make
the blood and so much blood to make the
drop of semen you know so we this is so
crucial this and and I to say if you
retain it in your body you just yeah so
the guys are saying they’re glowing you
know the people are coming up and yeah
actually people coming to them with
business proposals women are approaching
guys that would them that they would
have never done are you crazy story
yeah I think um I think it’s the
Fountain of Youth Leonard I think it’s
the Fountain of Youth for the masculine
I think that life force energy going
back to the body going back to the
nervous system is what keeps men younger
and alive and having more volunteer
erections as they age and are going to
it’s what’s enabled them to make love
long into their old age I really feel
like it’s it’s one of the greatest
sexual Secrets um of our time for for
men to learn I’m so happy that you’re
out there uh providing this for men
because for Willow and I we can coach
men and we’re pretty good coaches
helping men experience this phenomenon
but to get it from the masculine is a
whole another ballpark that I think her
and I can never transmit and one of the
things that you said that I want to just
highlight is there’s this desire to be
more cuddly more affectionate and I
think what’s important is that that
feels authentic and so what I hear you
saying is that as a result of doing
these practices it’s an authentic
expression for you that desire to hold
and connect and have that sort of
nonsexual but sensual
intimacy definitely you know when I was
in my 20s I mean you hear these things
you know don’t jump up and you see it in
some of the movies so the American
movies you know don’t jump up hold the
woman and then like I lie there and they
count to 10 okay this no long enough to
hold
her right because you know want to be an
[ __ ] okay now you made love okay
let’s hold her bird so she feels good
mean [ __ ] if you if you if you practice
this stuff it doesn’t come from that
place it comes from as you say authentic
place you really want to cuddle her you
know you want to hold isn’t it yeah yeah
so I I’m curious more to hear more about
your 21-day Journey because that’s quite
a um short amount of time for a man to
get proficient I feel like at this work
so tell us more about how you guide them
yes so I actually have it as a selfstudy
and then I have it where you could do as
a self study and you can do one-on-one
with me for Zoom calls and then I have
it as a guided the third option of
guided where I got 20 guys last we 20
guys on on a call and then four Zoom
calls over the 21 days and then I find
that super powerful because the men keep
each other also accountable and we got a
number of four five um uh agreements
when you when you when we we start um
and the first one is’s not ejaculate for
the 21 days uh or you know and if you do
you’re not getting shamed you know so so
it’s like but but yes as you put your
agreement in the other one is not to
watch porn for 21 days I mean seems
short but some guys are addicted to porn
that’s pretty tough to them totally um
and then um and then we got a morning
breathing thing you know not to look at
your phone and and you know and do you
do a can any fire breath and then a
gratitude thing and you know so it’s
quite a a structure that it builds up
over the 21 days with videos on a daily
basis and I take them through the whole
process of starting to feel energy and
as you say like 21 days is it’s like I I
probably call it level one I want to do
a level two haven’t done that out but it
is profound what the guys start feeling
in terms of energy and breathing energy
up towards the end we actually get into
the microcosmic orbit which know it’s
quite Advanced for guys that have never
done anything you know and right um what
do they say Leonard what what do they
say like what what do they how do they
describe the energy or the feelings that
they’re feeling as a result of the
practices yes I tell you that for me the
big thing that I’ve especially this last
group this this the self-pleasuring so I
I I I teach them in a course or talk
them through it in terms of
self-pleasuring where you don’t go to
your genitals first you just just touch
your arms so it bus up you know the
first week is just you know you don’t
even go into genitals then the energy
start building up and the guys start
feeling wow it’s not to hectic you know
they get super energized or super horny
and then I have like Sexual Energy
integration exercises that they can
breathe it out tell them to go and run
around the
block but the beauty is guys that have
never been aware of of of energy start
feeling this energy in their body and
they start feeling that wow even not 21
days but 7 days or 10 days [ __ ] there’s
something different feel a
difference because most men let’s just
be very direct about it is since the age
of 108 years have ejaculated on a daily
basis or every second or third day and I
believe there’s this ejaculation
hangover period you know it takes you
four five six seven days for you to to
to replenish in your body so most men
you know they’re 50 60 that means for 30
years they’ve lived in ejaculation H
they have no idea they’ve never
replenished yeah they
never they never replenished and that’s
why I’m so passionate to have the guys
on the course either my course or other
courses there two three other guys in
the world not many but there two three
other guys also doing the same thing
because I say to the guys you know you
can watch so many YouTube videos you can
watch this beautiful video interview we
doing here and you get it in your mind
but unless you go and do a journey with
someone unless you go through the
practice of not ejaculating example for
days or 10 or 21 days you’re not going
to have this body experience so yeah I
think it’s super important I think I
think what’s unique about what you’re
doing Leonard is that it is a daily
thing you’ve got you’ve given them a
prescription of what they have to do
each day and what they’re looking for I
think in a lot of schools and trainings
we we teach them the theory the
practices the pressure points to help
them give get control but to have some
accountability where they’re actually
practicing a method everying single day
and then that builds up over time and
their awareness for what they’re looking
for has know subtle shifts um is a great
way to support men having an embodied
experience where they can be successful
with this because what I experience is
that many men they kind of they give it
a try right they try it once oh they the
technique didn’t work they still
ejaculated it was now anti or wasn’t for
me you know or they might try it twice
you know they believe in the theory but
they don’t actually take it into their
body and it’s one of these things you do
have to practice in order to discover
its magnitude yeah yes and if you go
play football or rugby or golf I mean do
practice got practice exactly practice
it’s not just like you read a book and
then now you’re at handic up golfer you
know you play a lot of golf to get to
that point or football or and um I love
the idea what I find is that the
container is so powerful that that’s the
one thing about men I tell you they are
if you put them in a circle like this it
changes because the guys are then
supported by the Brotherhood plus
there’s also a little bit of a pressure
in a nice way about bit of you know W
okay you know I’ve given my agreement
I’m going to go right so so I think that
is a critical part that accountability
being witnessed because now it’s not so
easy to after five days well I’m not
going to ejaculate because now the zoom
call next Tuesday when you share you
have to not say I don’t want to let down
the group yeah that that totally has a
or I don’t want to be the one guy who
who did ejaculate right a little bit
Yeah I think um I think having like a
men’s there’s more and more men’s groups
coming you know online these days and I
think it’s so vital and so powerful for
men to have that support and as you said
Leonard being witnessed by each other
and without judgment because there’s so
much judgment amongst everyone in the
world but especially amongst men and and
competition and you know uh
self-judgment and self-criticism and all
of that can just really when you’re
building a container like what you’re
building Leonard you can really keep all
of that out and just be honest with
yourself and then be honest with others
about what you’re going through and what
you’re experiencing and the shift that
you’re having and I think that is just
one of the biggest gifts that we could
give to any human being really on the
planet I tell you I often say say that
after these sces I say I wish there were
some woman that’s flies against the wall
here to hear the vulnerability of these
guys when they share good God I mean I I
get blown away the moment you put like
20 guys in a circle and they feel safe
and obviously there’s a confidentiality
and you know we have some agreements
that that’s one of the agreements you
know you know this is confidential
confid the sharing and the openness and
discussion from between the guys is like
it’s it’s it’s really
beautiful so I’ve got a two-fold
question one is how is the pleasure
different like non-ejaculatory orgasms
because I think a lot of men hear this
and go wait what do you mean you want me
to [ __ ] give up my ejaculation that’s
how I come you crazy why would I ever do
that so like to talk about how you get
more pleasure not less and then um and
then I’ll I’ll I’ll save the followup
till after awesome i t the light on just
because I think it’s it’s sure Sun Sun
is going down light on you Leonard yeah
yeah the Sun is going down just for you
guys Leonard is um is calling us from
southa Africa as he said in the
beginning the interview so different
time zone all right so otherwise I’m
going to sit in pit dark here
n now we can see you awesome that’s
better otherwise we’ll just get
darker yes that’s you know that’s the
first reaction from the guys is exactly
that is that
hey man that ejaculation was is
pleasurable why would I want to give
that up and are you crazy and then when
they start realizing that by breathing
this energy up in their body they can
feel so much more pleasure through their
now obviously that doesn’t happen on day
one but they start feeling you know that
moving this energy they can you know
they make laugh for a longer period you
know still have the beautiful sensation
in your and your lingam and your [ __ ]
while he making love you know um and
then they start uh dropping into to that
and then feeling the the orgasm in the
body and that
t i I like I prefer not to say orgasm
but almost like the feelings that a and
a and a sensation of energy moving in
their body then they start once they
start experiencing that they’re like wow
there’s more to eat and then you know
some of the guys get to a point where
you actually have this almost like
genital orgasm but without the
ejaculation happening you know that’s
that’s that has been profound for me I
just happened totally by accident with
me 20 years ago I mean I didn’t even
know about Tantra I didn’t even know
about DSM 20 years ago I just started
having these orgasms not just the full
body orgasms with energy in my body but
also also like feel as if I have
ejaculated but nothing actually comes
out it’s just like this energy coming
out you know so I I tell them about that
and I’m cautious because it also they
want to put this massive thing up there
that they feel they now need to achieve
but the guys the guys start
understanding that wow there’s a bit
more to it than just the ejaculatory
thing um and then as the course goes on
guys start experiencing it and then some
guys share in the circle and say wow man
this crazy thing happened with me last
night and then I think it’s a it’s a
slow process but I I think it’s a
massive challenge I think I don’t know
I’m guessing but I think probably 90%
95% of the planet doesn’t know even
about what we talking about now I don’t
know whe it’s 95 or 80 or 90 but the
vast majority don’t know men or woman
and I think it’s because it’s in a way
difficult to to get the point across you
know because it has to be a body
experience in a way I think it’s because
it’s um it goes against the way our
biology is wired our biology our
Instinct from this animal place it goes
come come populate the planet make sure
we survive and so we feel compelled
biologically to have this expression of
an ejaculation so when men are learning
this when women are learning this it’s
anti it’s it’s not intuitive they have
to actually reverse they have to grasp
that moment of Consciousness to make a
decision before they go into it to go no
I want to find out what this is no I
want to see what other people are
talking about why is this important why
is it bigger why is it different and you
can only do that through multiple
experiences but then once you harness
that choice then the doors start to open
and what a lot of men have told me
regarding like how is it different well
not only is the after effects I think
that’s the biggest different is how you
feel energetically the Vitality the
awareness the Consciousness but in the
moment of pleasure it’s like it’s like
climbing Peaks it’s like you get to
these high levels of arousal but you
don’t go over the waterfall and then you
cool down and then you can go to another
high point of arousal and it’s so
thrilling it’s so exciting to stay awake
in those moments of high high pleasure
arousal States and then you come to
realize well yeah going over the
waterfall is great but then it’s
over and then so you get to like harness
Peak States Of Consciousness pleasure
and sensation and then that carries
over so I I think we I think the hard
cell on helping men make a choice to
give this a shot is that thing they
think they’re giving up something um but
what they don’t realize is that what
they’re picking up is even better
because I’ve never met a man yet Leonard
who goes yeah I think I’ll go back to
the way it was sure they tried and
they’re like I’m this is this is it I
have more pleasure than ever
before that’s exactly it and that’s
what’s so nice to hear that from other
men you know when they when they
actually say that I think that’s another
not just me saying it not just you
saying it you know you guys saying it it
like the men that that didn’t experience
it that’s beautiful that’s why I
interview the guys afterwards and we put
it out and yeah no definitely yeah it’s
I’m so curious um what like age range
and what kind of men like what’s the
demographic who tends to come to you and
work with you yeah well you going to
laugh my my uh the the group before this
group the youngest guy was 22 and the
oldest
70 I love it that’s great
the and I bet the 22-year-old was like
oh thank God I’m learning this now and
the 70-year-old was like how can no one
ever told me this earlier in life right
exactly in the 22 year old he’s sharing
in the circle it’s actually a friend of
my son he read my book and he was like
Wow and my son is too close to home to
do you know he isn’t but uh his friend
did and he heard it and I he heard about
the course and I gave him a quite big
discount on you know under 25 I dud
Under 12 25 big discounted and he was on
this course and this guy was actually an
inspiration for so many other guys at
the age of 22 of course and he was
already saying he was saying to me c me
said I read your book and because he
knows me you know from you know from my
son and and he said you know I don’t
think I’m doing too badly I might laugh
for 15 20 minutes but I read stuff here
and I think I might be missing something
I would like
to check it out and then he came in his
course and oh it was so beautiful to Y
sharings and and the stuff happening
there and and that really that the young
guys I don’t know it’s just so beautiful
for me to have the guys in the 20s on on
this and yeah damn man we should learn
this all so much doesn’t it it g you so
much hope you know know we all as boys
should learn this stuff in our in our
teens you know because the brog the body
gets so programmed as you say you know
it’s biological and you know and porn
you know the ejaculations all what it’s
about and then as a teenager you’re
hiding it so if fre can but I mean
that’s the past let’s go into the future
to bring it to more young people that’s
so amazing yeah guys see so it’s a wide
range it’s quite a range from people 20
30 40s 50 60s yeah um right so if you’re
if you’re a male out there and you’re
looking to really learn how to do um
non-ejaculatory orgasms have multiple
orgasms have really profound ejaculatory
choice and get in touch with your inner
feminine then go hang out with Leonard
tell us how um they can find
you uh leonard.com is the website okay
well I have to spell that it’s it’s
Lenard low but it’s l e n e r d
l u w yeah we’ll have it in the show
Notes too and I believe you have a free
gift for our
audience yes I I’m so so excited to talk
to to guys in the states I mean I talked
to lot of people in inth Africa and
Europe a lot of people in Europe was
four months in Europe now and presenting
at festivals but it’s amazing to to be
in the states I just I just think it’s
everywhere all needed but I think it’s
so needed there and I I yeah I would
love to gift my to your listeners and a
free copy of my audio ebook and we put
the link in the in the description it’s
a free download earbook I love a good
audio book can’t wait it’s called did
you read it did you were you the reader
for your audio I I I didn’t actually no
I didn’t actually I afterward people
said I should have but you know the
ination and so I got a really brilliant
Guy Peter Noble he won the audio Awards
actually two three years ago in New York
for forward for audio he the Oscar of
audence so I got the Bas gu cool amazing
for him okay so the book is called jump
an epic soul and sex Adventure so be
sure to pick that up of course the link
is in the show notes and I’ve got one
last uh question to end this interview
uh Leonard and that is how can women
support their partner or it doesn’t have
to be a woman how can Partners support
their partner in the practice of
ejaculatory Choice oh super super
important Leo so in my course I actually
get the guys on on Day 2 3 4 to discuss
with their partner what they’re doing
and then asked to show some of the
videos for them it is is super important
so for a so for a woman if your partner
if you’re doing this your your partner
must know about it and she also has to
learn a bit about what this is about um
there’s so much about this you know um
and we can talk about that for for so
long because then in the love making she
start learning you know when also to
slow down especially when he’s starting
learning at the point when he’s close is
to also slow down and stop and she feel
so she can massively support him and
then also you know um and that it’s
quite a discussion so it’s a discussion
to have in a nice gentle way because
women has also got a attachment to
ejaculation because it sometimes bu to
the desirability linked to the
desirability so so just to bring it
across this this is the reason for that
and and also you know now we can maybe
but too detail for the question but
there’s also you know
subconsciously women can also draw the
the semen out and then mean I I I
believe you could be as good as you want
if a woman want to draw that seen out
it’s very diff difficult Chasers exactly
I I mean my my previous part we we I was
pretty good that re and I had this
discussion with her she said oh wow I
wasn’t aware I wait no I’m sure it’s
just subconscious the next time we made
love it was slightly different this that
subconscious pull so this is just a
pointer it’s not enough time to talk
detail about it a PO of why it’s so
important for both Partners to to talk
about this the woman the partner there’s
a youth support in this big time yeah it
seems like really important that women
would need to um kind of keep their
finger on the pulse of the energy of
what the man was experiencing yeah and
to not take it personally he’s not not
ejaculating because he doesn’t like you
or isn’t desire you’re not desirable all
these things and ways women can make up
a story that it’s about them it’s not
about you it’s about him growing in his
Mastery we want to celebrate that and
and Empower that thank you so much for
being on the show we can’t wait to have
you back wonderful great thanks for the
time I really enjoyed it lots of love
love love
love now our favorite part the dish okay
oh yes oh yes oh yes I’ll have more of
that please Leonard adory choice that
was a great interview with Leonard I
just you can tell that he’s really
walked his talk and that he just gets
lit up by teaching other men and guiding
them and seeing them go through these
Transformations that really mastering
this sacred sexual technique
requires yeah and I really love this
21-day process I like that he slows them
down yeah you know I like that he’s
having them build awareness of different
parts of their body and like Bridging
the energetics to this I think he’s
doing a really interesting job and I
love men Gathering and getting
vulnerable and cultivating trust with
each other and being open I feel like
it’s sort of an epidemic in our culture
for a lot of adult men are so lonely and
then once they start getting to Middle
Ag and they’ve had their first divorce
and their kids don’t want to talk to
them I mean they’re so alone where where
women I feel like have these connections
that we invest in throughout a lifetime
and I feel like once a man kind of gets
through that first 25 years of his life
he doesn’t have as many guy friends and
it really it concerns me quite a bit I
think about it quite a bit you do that
thought that you up at night yeah it
does you know I listened to an MPR
episode once about this because the
suicide rates are the highest among
middle-aged white men um and it’s
staggering and and I believe it’s due to
this sense of aloneness not belonging
and they get married and they invest all
their energy into the kids and the and
the part the partner becomes the only
friend you know they might be friends
with other couples right but they
doesn’t have that BFF like he did when
he was seven years old you know and
women keep those BFFs most of the time
so I think there’s a connection to that
when men can talk about like conscious
sex it evolves so much closer together
yeah because first of all they never
really got to talk about sex in a
conscious way to begin with and then now
they’re not only are they talking about
it but they’re transforming like they’re
experiencing something they have never
experienced before I think that’s one of
the really powerful things that Leonard
brings together with um with the groups
of men that he works with is the
opportunity for them to uh articulate
what’s going on for them because when
you actually speak out loud a physical
spiritual experience that you had last
night or a few days ago it concretes it
more into your cell body so that you
actually own it more and you become more
empowered around um your your ability
your and your confidence grows I think
that’s probably one of the biggest
things that I would imagine that his men
walk away with is just a lot more
embodied confidence yeah and being in
touch that that that that goes with that
embodied awareness that you were just
talking about it’s having this
emotional connection to themselves where
they start to not only understand what
they’re feeling but then can articulate
what they’re feeling which I think it’s
what women often feel like we’re missing
or That We crave it’s you know I want to
know what’s going on with you and I
think a lot of male Partners don’t
always know how to
express the the feelings the
sensations you know in a way that can
Bond them you know I think I think
there’s a disconnect sometimes like
we’re speaking two different languages
and it sounds like through some of these
practices they’re getting in touch with
a certain part of their emotional selves
that adds to the connection and the
intimacy with a partner I mean how can
we not yeah yeah so powerful and just
totally transformative for the
relationships that these are men are in
I love how he’s like I hear from the
women and you know they’re like what did
you do to my partner wow he’s so much
more connective and alive I mean
ultimately that’s what we all want is to
be seen and to be acknowledged and it
does require slowing down and looking
deeper within yourself to be able to do
that with someone outside of you now the
good news for our audience is that we
have a course that is all about uh
ejaculatory control or Choice we’ve got
a course that’s all about this
phenomenon that we that we that he
brought up at the beginning of the
interview which is the root chakra work
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right y’all and if you want to find
Leonard you know where to find him on
his on his website and um check out his
book I think you’re going to love it
that’s a wrap love love love thanks for
tuning in this episode was hosted by
dric sex master coach and positive
psychology facilitator Leah Piper as
well as my Chinese and functional
medicine doctor and Tais taxology
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